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BOTD 2/5/13 "Mr. Wizard He Wasn't" A 1 Strapped Boy Prod

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David M. Katz


Marshall
MR. WIZARD HE WASN'T

A 1 Strapped Boy Production


Your step son Dimitri is a very bright 12 year old who has a real interest in things electrical. It is 1975 and you have purchased a new color tv. The old black and white tv worked but the picture wasn't very good and your plan is to have it fixed and put into the gameroom downstairs.

Being so good at electrical stuff, Dimitri takes the back off the set and is toying around with the guts of the set. He sees a tube not burning as brightly as it should and proceeds to take things apart to change the tube (He has a box of junk parts for just this type of thing!!)

You come into the basement to find:

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He didn't ask permission to do this by the way.

Are you going to be "taking him to the barn" for this?


*Thanks to Stevie Weeks for providing the picture for this BOTD.


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Iconoclast


Trailboss
No, if he fixes the TV i will avoid the $60 repair bill ($420 in 2013 dollars!)

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David M. Katz


Marshall
I see nothing malicious here and, really, there is nothing disobedient either. He is just being curious so no reason to spank him.

Worst case is we have no TV for the game room and best case is he fixes the TV.


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Jkher


Trailboss
I can't see anything a matter with what he's doing. The TV was in the fritz anyways. He can have first shot at fixing it. Without fancy circuit boards, even a professional would be swapping out parts as he's doing.

"How could you touch that angel Suspect !"

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1strappedboy


Sherrif
Boy, I wish you were my dad in the instance!!

Alex hauled me out to the barn and roasted me royally.

The reason was that "you could have gotten shocked or burned us down."

It was 'shocking' how much the strop 'burned' in his hands!!

AFinch


Sherrif
I am assuming you had the good sense to unplug it first. If that assumption is correct, I agree with everyone else--not a spanking offense.

If not, beyond a reminder and maybe a smack, I still don't see this as a spanking, let alone stropping, offense. The set is broken anyway--if he fixes it, it's a win-win, and if not, I'm no worse off than I am now.

John Boy


Sherrif
Well, I don't see anything wrong, but he could have electrocuted himself or Burned us down. Maybe a few stingeroos might do the trick. All I want is for him to ask next time.

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talebearer


Cowboy
The B&W set wasn't first-line or particularly good anyway, so what's the harm? Tell him if he wants his own set he can try and make this one work.

It might be a good learning experience for him. If he gets zapped, well, he'll learn from it. Just ask if he has a good multimeter and leave him to it. Maybe he can provide for you amply in your old age. Cool

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Emlyn Morgan


Trailboss
My TV at home works via a signal from a transmitter near Sutton Coldfield (I think)reaching an aerial fixed to my chimney. However the signal has been digitalised and worked well enough for a while. Suddenly the BBC channels went unwatchably Picasso (or Braque).

Maybe Dmitri could come and fix it.

squarecutter


Sherrif
He appears to be competent with electronics. As stated I assume the tv was unplugged first.The truth is that often if you take an appliance to a professional for repair that rather like the car mechanic the they will suck air through their teeth and warn you that it will probably cost you more to repair than to simply buy a new one! So I am happy for the ki to go if he hass previously shown a flair for this sort of thing. It may save me some money. Just don't come running to me if you electrocute yourself son Evil or Very Mad

MemoryMan


Sherrif
I'll admonish him for not asking before he took the back off.

Then I'll caution him about residual high voltage and hang around to "help" him and ensure his safety.

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1strappedboy


Sherrif
MM's answer followed my 'trip to the barn'.

See, that was the crazy duality of Alexei Danalov. He'd beat the crap out of you for rule breaking or in this instance 'being stupid', then would spend time showing the right way of doing things.

After I'd recovered from my 12 scorchers he pointed out (what I had already known) that there are some seriously high voltage capacitors used in the old tube sets and I was at risk for shock/burn and worked with me to get the tv up and going again. Of course, he had already imprinted that lesson indelibly on my rear!

Stone Man


Marshall
1strappedboy wrote: Being so good at electrical stuff,

Young Dimitri should have asked about fixing the TV before undertaking it, but I don't see it as a stropping offense. Since he is "good at electrical stuff" I'm sure he knows to unplug equipment before opening 'em up.

If all he usually works on are radios, my only concern for his safety is the high voltage capacitors that go to the tube that can give you quite the bite if you don't discharge them and keep them grounded until they've stopped oscillating.

A simple "Ask next time, Hon', and a stingoor or two would suffice today.

A small static electricity discharge to his ear (not rear) would work too.

Kat


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I'm in agreement with everyone else.

Kat

Jack


Admin
Very honestly, unless he and I have had talks about this in the past, then no whupping will occur.

I had intended to have it repaired, and D was trying to do a good turn and save us some money. For that matter, maybe he actually can fix it. If not, maybe the shop can repair his repair without it costing any more than it would have at first.

If we've talked about him doing things like this before - then that cute little fellow will be sans jeans and plus brush.

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Jack


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1strappedboy wrote:After I'd recovered from my 12 scorchers he pointed out (what I had already known) that there are some seriously high voltage capacitors used in the old tube sets and I was at risk for shock/burn and worked with me to get the tv up and going again. Of course, he had already imprinted that lesson indelibly on my rear!

I was actually going to mention this point, in reference to all the people who talked about unplugging. I remember my grandfather showing me how to deal with a similar piece of equipment one time.

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db105


Trailboss
The first time I read this I thought he had tried to repair the new TV. I didn't understand why everyone was being so lenient... Once I read it better I agree that it's not worth a harsh punishment per se. OK, even if he unplugs the TV, he might create a short circuit, but I don't think there is a real risk of being burned.

However, he needs to learn he has to ask permission before taking things apart. I'm in favor of letting him experiment and learn but, as we say in Spain, "los experimentos, con gaseosa" (the experiments, with soda), meaning that you shouldn't experiment with something expensive or important. I'll explain that to him and warn him. If he had already been warned in the past, the his pants are coming down for a spanking.


Editing: regarding those capacitors you are talking about: are they high-capacity enough to be really dangerous?

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Padraig


Trailboss
Cathode to anode voltage is about 25kV to 33kV. But the amperage is quite low so it shouldn't cause heavy injuries let alone be lethal. A healthy adult would shake his hand for a while but not much more. However, weak hearts or other physical infirmities can cause heart failures when exposed to electrical power. And it's definitively something children should avoid.

If the TV was powerless for days the tube should be discharged.

The TV was working, albeit poorly, so experimenting with it could put it beyond repair. The point is IMHO: It wasn't his TV or given to him to experiment, so he should have asked before opening it.

A moderate punishment would do, I think.

Iconoclast


Trailboss
When I was Dimitri's age I was aware how a CRT worked and knew about the 15 to 25 KV which was present when the set was on. I also knew of the necessity of grounding the capacitors. No problem and a good probability of avoiding a then high professional repair bill!

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squarecutter


Sherrif
May be my lack of knowledge led me to be more lenient than I might have been ,from the point of view of the lads safety. I still think that had we had to take the tv o a repair shop we would have ended up deciding to cut our losses and buy another tv

JTT


Cowboy
I don't think a spanking his in order. Maybe I'll get lucky and he will get it fixed saving me an expensive repair bill! I'll remind him that in the future he will need to ask me before he goes exploring any of the family electronics!

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