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BOTD 9/19/13 "When You Gotta Go, You Gotta Go . . ." An Anonymous Production

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David M. Katz


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WHEN YOU GOTTA GO, YOU GOTTA GO
An Anonymous Production

It is 1967 and you are the father of a family living in Hamilton, Ontario. You have four teenage daughters and one pre - teen son named Kevin. Your wife, as was normal in 1967, does not work, and you have a relatively good job which pays enough to live on comfortably, but not lavishly, even by the more moderate standards that prevailed in the sixties

KEVIN - 12
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The house you live in has three bedrooms and one bathroom... again, normal during this period. You are aware that there have been a steady, and increasing number, of conflicts lately over the use of the bathroom... your son has complained on several occasions that he is often kept waiting to use the toilet until he is absolutely desperate to relieve himself. Remonstrating with your daughters has had somewhat limited success... you yourself have been rendered very uncomfortable while waiting for one of them to vacate the facilities. Your wife and you have decided that you will have to add a second bathroom to alleviate the problem, and are negotiating with the bank to increase the mortgage to allow you the funds to do so; credit was not as easy to obtain in 1967 as it is today and your bank manager has been a little awkward over the matter.

Finally, the money has been approved... and work will begin shortly; you are about to inform the kids that a second bathroom is in the works... when a disaster happens. Your wife puts a load of washing in the machine, turns it on, and a flood of water pours from the plumbing under the laundry tub (the washing machine drains into the tub); it is some time before the problem is noticed, and quite a lot of damage it done before the water supply is turned off. The worst damage is to the furnace... water has been sucked into the combustion chamber, cracking and destroying the fire brick lining. It is not worth repairing and will have to be replaced at a substantial cost.

Investigation reveals that the galvanized drains to the laundry tub have corroded right through, and there has been considerable leakage in the area for some time... the plumber estimates that the repairs will be quite expensive as all the piping has to be replaced. He also says that, although galvanized plumbing is prone to corrosion and no longer used by 1967, the evidence is strong that the damage either has been caused or at least severely exacerbated because someone has been using the laundry tub as a urinal... the smell is very strong and has actually soaked into the cement floor surrounding the piping. You poke your head into the area indicated by the plumber, to take a tentative sniff and almost lose your lunch... it's as bad as the men's room in a cheap tavern.

When all is said and done, the cost of the necessary repairs eats up almost all the money earmarked for the second bathroom... you dread having to go back to your bank and ask for more money, even if they do loan it to you, you will have to absolutely grovel to the bank manager for it.

Kevin, your son, breaks down under questioning and admits he's been peeing into the tubs on a regular basis for a couple of years: he blushes deeply and says that he knows he shouldn't have done it but sometimes just couldn't wait any longer...

What do you do with him?


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David M. Katz


Marshall
Hmmm . . . do I admit to him that I too have had to make use of the laundry tub for non-laundry related needs?  scratch  Embarassed 

I am going back to the bank.  We either build another bathroom or move.

Kevin escapes punishment.


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Kat


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I have to agree with Katz. I should have been firmer with the daughters or come up with a more viable alternative until we got a second bathroom -- that's what bushes are for, after all. If the girls were putting on makeup or doing their hair in the bathroom, then I could have easily insisted they move the grooming to their bedrooms.

Kevin clearly intended no malice and I doubt had any idea of the consequences. He was just doing what he had to to get some relief.

Kat

Jack


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I have to agree. It sounds like Kevin did what he had to do. While I'm tempted to say he should have gone outside, at his age, it might have been too embarrassing, and there's no telling what time of day or year it started.

My daughters are getting a firm lecture and strict new rules. Kevin and I are getting a couple of large bottles to use in the meantime.

No one is getting spanked.

WAIT!! Where's Sir Em's divorce lawyer? She can have the girls, and Kevin and I will find an apartment with one bathroom, and a stool for the kitchen sink, just in case.

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1strappedboy


Sherrif
That lawyer does sound like a viable alternative, doesn't he? Razz 

I think it is time to perhaps sell the house and pay off the mortgage I have at this bank and move to a slightly larger home and get the loan through another lender!  Even in '67, as long as you met the right credit to debt ratio and had a solid record of on time payment one should not have to GROVEL to a banker, especially if I have accounts there!  If I threaten to pull my $$, watch how much more cooperative he'll become.

Certainly no spanking here as it is likely that I've probably ported to this particular escape a time or two myself.  In the future the girls will be informed that until we move/have rectified the situation, the bathroom is to be used for bathing and personal functions only!  Makeup and coiffing can be done in the bedroom and if I catch them hogging the room for this purpose it will be their rears 'on the block'!

John Boy


Sherrif
This one is hard for me to make up my mind, so I will just ditto Katz.

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David M. Katz


Marshall
An after thought: I most likely do not need to build an entire bathroom. It sounds like I just need to install another toilet and a hand sink. I wonder if a closet can be converted for that purpose and still be done for the little money that may remain after the plumbing and furnace issues are addressed?

Kevin still isn't getting punished.


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Jkher


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When you gotta go, you GOTTA go!

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AFinch


Sherrif
I agree with everyone else.  No one is getting spanked.

Time to move, and time, also, to find a friendlier bank.

When I was Kevin's age, my mother managed all the household finances.  My father at the time was looking to move to a larger office space.  During her weekly bank visit, she asked to speak with the bank manager about a loan.   After being escorted to his office, she told him the reason for her visit and was told (I was there) "Come back with your husband honey.  I won't talk to you (strongly implied "a woman") about a loan."

She walked directly to the teller's station, where she was known by name, and withdrew all of her funds from the bank.  It was NOT a small amount.  "Ma'am, what are you DOING?"  "Ask HIM!" (pointing at the manager).

Too many banks don't seem to understand that we give them OUR money, which they then use to invest and make money for themselves.  A little courtesy is in order.

Stone Man


Marshall
I'll have to look for another reason to roast Kevin's rump, as I understand his need. And who'd have thought the pipes would rot out from this use?

Someone mentioned going outside, which would have worked great where I grew up, but living in a "city" now, with little privacy from neighbors, would warrant he keep it indoors.

ivor


Marshall
Och, Kevin - that a wee problem you've made for us laddie."

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Padraig


Trailboss
Well, let's check the facts.

First, galvanized plumbing pipes are prone to rust and lead fall out. Second a glavanized pipe usually has a wall thickness of at least 2-3mm. So rusting from inside out takes years or even decades, even with the help of urine standing in a drain pipe (the most common problem with galvanized plumbings is clogging because of accumulated rust and lead, sometimes followed by ruptures of the supply pipe).

So the chances of the boy causing the damage by pissing into the tub are virtually nil. He might have added some smell to the already existing damage, but that's it.

So relax buddy, you're not in trouble. Hopefully the insurance will cover some of the damage, if not, don't worry, we will survive.

squarecutter


Sherrif
Padraig wrote:Well, let's check the facts.

First, galvanized plumbing pipes are prone to rust and lead fall out. Second a glavanized pipe usually has a wall thickness of at least 2-3mm. So rusting from inside out takes years or even decades, even with the help of urine standing in a drain pipe (the most common problem with galvanized plumbings is clogging because of accumulated rust and lead, sometimes followed by ruptures of the supply pipe).

So the chances of the boy causing the damage by pissing into the tub are virtually nil. He might have added some smell to the already existing damage, but that's it.

So relax buddy, you're not in trouble. Hopefully the insurance will cover some of the damage, if not, don't worry, we will survive.
Padraig. I bow to your superior knowledge of such matters. Sounds like the boy is in the clear.

The girls though. I will be carrying a key from now on and if the bathroom is not being vacated quickly enough expect an invasion! It does indeed seem like time to move. Not to mention bathrooms we are I would say at least one bedroom short of requirements. The kids aren't babies any more as the girls are demonstrating:roll: 

Now the Bank...

Iconoclast


Trailboss
Padraig wrote:Well, let's check the facts.

First, galvanized plumbing pipes are prone to rust and lead fall out. Second a glavanized pipe usually has a wall thickness of at least 2-3mm. So rusting from inside out takes years or even decades, even with the help of urine standing in a drain pipe (the most common problem with galvanized plumbings is clogging because of accumulated rust and lead, sometimes followed by ruptures of the supply pipe).

So the chances of the boy causing the damage by pissing into the tub are virtually nil. He might have added some smell to the already existing damage, but that's it.

So relax buddy, you're not in trouble. Hopefully the insurance will cover some of the damage, if not, don't worry, we will survive.
There is nothing like facts to clarify things! Even so the blame would not have fallen on Kevin because sometimes you can't wait. My daughters however are going to change their behavior or else!

Iconoclast

David M. Katz


Marshall
Back to my earlier thought - an outhouse only requires a pit in the ground and a shed. Surely there is enough money for that. pale 


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squarecutter wrote:Padraig. I bow to your superior knowledge of such matters.
This was a major problem for me. So many of these details were so different from anything with which I was familiar. Kat grew in a slightly older area than I did, but I don't know anyone that had a furnace (or a washing tub) like this. I really made my decision on the basis that I couldn't blame him, and probably did or would have done it myself.

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Padraig


Trailboss
Sorry if I offended someone. I didn't mean to boast.

squarecutter


Sherrif
David M. Katz wrote:Back to my earlier thought - an outhouse only requires a pit in the ground and a shed.  Surely there is enough money for that.  pale 
Just watching the Bastogne episode of band of brothers. There they did just dig a hole. Does'nt bear thinking about. Padraig, if you knew my knowledge of plumbing, knowing more than me need not give you a swollen head!Embarassed 

Jack


Admin
Padraig wrote:Sorry if I offended someone. I didn't mean to boast.
I'd hardly call 'access to specialized knowledge' boasting. I'm usually glad to find out that someone in the area knows what they're talking about.

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Stone Man


Marshall
David M. Katz wrote:Back to my earlier thought - an outhouse only requires a pit in the ground and a shed.  Surely there is enough money for that.  pale 
How rural are we and what does "zoning" allow.

I do agree that an outhouse is a great idea in the right location. Wintertime is a bit dicey, but other that that....

kalico


Sherrif
as to the want am I going to do to him question......NOTHING!

As for my four daughter's, there will be a time limit on the shower and for any other primping they need to be doing they can do that in their room in front of a mirror........

OUT HOUSE.......affraid 
we still have one out at our families cabin on the hood canal in Washington but their is now two bath attachments......this cabin is REALLY a 1800's cabin, with built in bunks in three rooms that hold 8. Then two actual bedrooms and a open kitchen/living. we finaly put electric in it in the late 80's, would have been sooner but the males in my family I love you  the rustic nature of it......Rolling Eyes 



hugs kal

StevieWeeks


Trailboss
He's a dirty, incontinent little boy and deserves a good whipping... eight on the bare bottom with his father's Canadian Navy belt.

Then he can show me the welts in the boy's room at school and all...

Stevie...

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