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25 August 2014 - Does a Blue House Mean a Red Butt?

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Jack


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Your sister-in-law had a chance to make a large some of money by traveling to Europe on business for a few months. It was decided that your brother and 12-year old nephew could handle things that long, and it seemed like a great decision. It probably was, if your brother's National Guard unit hadn't been called up.



So, here's your 11-year old son, Willy, with his 12-year old cousin, George.
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Over the years, you've spanked George a few times, and the two boys have been spanked together. Your brother is actually a bit stricter than you are, so George is used to rules and generally pretty well behaved. You and your brother both spank pretty much the same, but he's much more likely to use the paddle than you are.

The thing is, while you're kind of easy going, and middle of the road politically, your brother is pretty radical right and intolerant. The two of you (as much to keep your parents happy as anything) generally avoid conversations that would cause violent disagreements.

One of the things on which you are pretty hardline is language. You don't care about cussing or political correctness so much, but you do believe that some people are offended by certain things, and it's your job to avoid things that you know might offend people. Like most boys, Willy has experimented with inappropriate language. Gentle correction has generally worked, but he has been spanked and had his mouth soaped in response to repeated or horrendous use.

Things seem to be going pretty well, until dinner tonight. You took the boys down town with you, and you passed an older area with a lot of homeless people. You talked a bit about it, but then reached your destination and talk never circled back to that.

Now, Willy returns to it.

"Dad, how come the government can't give homeless people food and houses?"

Before you can give frame a proper answer, George steps in.

"Because, we don't live in a Socialism. If you want something, you have to work for it, you libtard."

Now Willy wants to know what a 'libtard' is. Do you explain it or demonstrate?


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John Boy


Sherrif
I will polity discuss how we talk to each other, and see if there is a way to explain libtard without causing problems.

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AFinch


Sherrif
Ditto JB I think this is a teaching moment, not a spanking one, especially with 11-12 year olds.

StevieWeeks


Trailboss
Stevie can't trust himself to answer this one...  Mad

I've reconsidered but I still better not say anything and all...

David M. Katz


Marshall
JB and Kier are right. This is a teaching moment.


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MemoryMan


Sherrif
Assuming the boys get on well together its no big deal since it's a rite of passage for 11/12 year olds friends to trade insults.  

I'll describe the term as a dismissive one that intolerant people without a real argument use to describe others who disagree with their views, explain its meaning and then observe

If the boys do have issues between them I'll also be having a word with George and suggest an apology.

( Ooops though............. I may be a tad too slow to step in and divert the initial smack in the mouth)


That would make it a spanking issue Twisted Evil

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ivor


Marshall
As I have never heard the word before I shall either simply ignore it or ask him to explain to me what it means.

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Pi Beta


Deputy
ivor wrote:As I have never heard the word before I shall either simply ignore it or ask him to explain to me what it means.

Ditto!

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I agree with JB and Kier, but I would also ask Ivor's question. I imagine that George has been using the word without even thinking about its implications, as it is not only dismissive of people whose political beliefs one disagrees with but also ridicules retarded people. I expect that George picked this word up from his father, so punishing him would be pointless. All I can do is try to start him on the road to being more thoughtful.

Kat

mahoover


Cowboy
Being able to hold a polite conversation with people you disagree with is an important life skill. I agree with the rest that this is a teaching moment, not a punishment moment. However, part of the things I will say is putting both boys on notice is that that type of name calling is a form of bigotry, and isn't appropriate. In the future, it will be a spankable offense, no matter which side of the political spectrum the insult comes from.

Jack


Admin
First of all, no, this is not based on a real life incident.

As to dealing with the scenario, I like Kat's answer best.

In real life, I'd probably send George from the table (if we were through eating, or at least silence him). I'd explain to Willy the basic meaning and why we don't use it. Then I'd explain to George that it's an unacceptable word, and that he should have known that, due to it's root in the word 'retard' which is definitely unacceptable. I will remind him that he knows this kind of language risks a spanking in my house, and that I'm tempted to give it. I'm not going to, because I'm sure he either heard this from his father or on one of Dad's favorite radio shows. Instead, I'll try to talk to him and explain how and why we need to be considerate of other people, even when we don't agree with him.

I'll be sure he understands that future repetitions will earn him a sore backside.


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Padraig


Trailboss
Though I'm tempted to try a little "reprogramming" while he is with me, I think Kat and Jack are on the right track.

StevieWeeks


Trailboss
It is interesting, that as far as I know (and I'm not inclined to check up on it) the United States is the only country in the world in which the ultra - conservative party has red as its colour... in the rest of the world red is directly associated with socialism and even communism... the flag of the Soviet Union was red, remember...

The colour blue normally is hijacked by the conservative party in most countries... it certainly stands for the Conservative Party in Canada, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, also the colour for the Tory Party in the U.K. (please correct me if I'm wrong and all).

Stevie... (who got into trouble once for telling a right wing American that red was the colour of socialism... Razz )

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
It wasn't always that way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

Kat

Pi Beta


Deputy
StevieWeeks wrote:

The colour blue normally is hijacked by the conservative party in most countries... it certainly stands for the Conservative Party in Canada, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, also the colour for the Tory Party in the U.K. (please correct me if I'm wrong and all).

Conservative party in the UK - you are generally right, but historically in certain parts of the country the party traditionally used red until at least fairly recently. Certainly when I was working in the Black Country in the 1970s, the Conservative Party in both Halesowen and Stourbridge had red as its colour while in the neighbouring Bromsgrove, it was blue. I believe in Wallasey also, red was the colour. Hence, it was then the policy of Conservative senior politicians to wear rosettes of Blue, Red and White - to avoid any embarrassing moments.

squarecutter


Sherrif
Padraig wrote:Though I'm tempted to try a little "reprogramming" while he is with me, I think Kat and Jack are on the right track.
Me also. But I can't be too censorious if George is getting such things from his father. No w both boys know such a term is unacceptable in my home I trust for their sakes there will be no repeat

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