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16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires

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1 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:37 pm

Jack


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After finding out how your nephew, Tristan, has been lying to you, so he could sneak away and violate some rules, you've decided he needs a fire in his tail.  While you're deciding just how much heat to apply, he's getting ready for it.  

And then it occurs to you - your middle two sons, Clayton and Nolan, have pretty much become best friends with Tristan since you married Clayton and Nolan's mom ---
Clayton - 13, Tristan - 14, Nolan - 12
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--- and you realize that Tristan hasn't been the only one lying to you.

Leaving Tristan to finish getting ready, you go to Clayton and Nolan's room.  You know he wasn't at the Malone's house recently when he claimed to be, but his cousins weren't there either. However, he's also admitted he wasn't at the Hathaways house a few days ago, when his cousins were there and said he was there with him. You tell them you know what's been going on with Tristan, and then you ask about him being at the Hathaway's house the other night, which they both told you about.

You've made it very clear to all your children (including... no, especially 8-year old Eli, who considers it his duty to tattle on his big brothers every chance he gets) that you don't want a bunch of snitching.  If the others aren't doing something dangerous or illegal, you'll deal with it without there help.

This is a different case, however, since it involves a deliberate lie - active, not passive cover up.

Confronted with your knowledge, and realizing that they locked themselves into details that can be proved, they fess up.  Tristan never asked them to lie for him.  When he realized they'd been where he claimed to be, he just ask that they not mention it.  It had been Nolan's idea to add to his cover story, and Clayton had gone along.

How far is the liar's fire going to spread?  Are Clayton and Nolan just as guilty as their soon to be sore cousin?  Can they be forgiven for trying to help a bro?  Or is the real answer somewhere in-between?


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2 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:14 pm

AFinch


Sherrif
I think that if Clay and Nolan knew the rule, and knew that Tristan was violating it, and not only kept silent about it but actively lied for him, they are just as guilty as he is. And I think they get to face the same music.

3 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:15 pm

John Boy


Sherrif
They can get some sore rears for lying, however it won't be as bad as Trists.

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4 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:01 pm

1strappedboy


Sherrif
Ditto Doc.

5 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:51 pm

Stone Man


Marshall
ditto doc, also.

6 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:46 am

kalico


Sherrif
Yup.....ditto the dittos




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7 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:23 am

ivor


Marshall
Don't see thee is anywhere near as much rule breaking in what Clayton& Nolan have done, so the same punishment cannot be justified.

They can join him for the starter but miss the main course.

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8 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:48 am

David M. Katz


Marshall
ivor wrote:Don't see thee is anywhere near as much rule breaking in what Clayton& Nolan have done, so the same punishment cannot be justified.

They can join him for the starter but miss the main course.

I am going to camp with ivor.


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9 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:21 am

MemoryMan


Sherrif
..............You've made it very clear to all your children (including... no, especially 8-year old Eli, who considers it his duty to tattle on his big brothers every chance he gets) that you don't want a bunch of snitching.  If the others aren't doing something dangerous or illegal, you'll deal with it without there help...................

The boys were commendably closing ranks in support of each other.  What kind of mixed message are you going to send out if on the one hand you actively discourage tattling and then punish for not tattling?  Having started an investigation are you going to interrogate the tribe to see what others knew and what other stones you can turn over? (Eli might sing)

OK!  Lying was involved - but in their view with good intention.  Lying, in its various forms, is endemic in all walks of life in today's society (how else would politicians get elected?) and lies are sometimes told for very good (and moral) reasons.  In general lying only gathers opprobrium when blatant and found out.

There are unresolved issues here but this should be a case where principle overrides circumstances.

One fire only

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10 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:35 am

squarecutter


Sherrif
I'm with John Boy. There were good reasons but on Balance I prefer the boys to be looking out for each other, I can also recall that this can be a bit of a hobsons choice for kids at times. Even if your collaboraton iisnt asked for you might get asked why you didn't help out. They get spanked but nothing harsh

11 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:45 am

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I'm pretty much with MM. Tristan's behavior was not illegal or dangerous, so in kid think, covering up is simply the logical extension of not tattling. I'm now 48, and I still have a fractured relationship with a sibling for tattling on me when I was 14. Perhaps he thought what he did was for the best, but I had covered for him on many occasions. I did and do consider it an unforgivable betrayal.

Kat

12 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:08 pm

Iconoclast


Trailboss
I am also with MM except more so!  In today's world with the tyrannical government claiming the right to tell us what to do in every facet of our lives, lying and covering up for our friends is necessary!  The government outrage is so pervasive they are even telling us what snacks  we can include in our children's lunches!   I am so pleased with my boys for standing together there will be no punishment for any of them!  In fact I will immediately take them all out for ice cream!

Iconoclast

13 Re: 16 Sept 2014 - A Tale of Three Fires on Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:51 pm

Jack


Admin
I already detailed what happened to Tristan in the BOTD from the previous day Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

As I mentioned in this scenario, while Tristan was preparing for his spanking, Dean realized Clay and Nolan had also been lying to him, about the same thing.

It looks like the replies ran 8 to 3 in favor of some spanking, but not as much as Tristan received.

Which is what happened.

Dean does say he stressed to the boys that there is a definite difference between tattling (snitching, carrying stories - whatever term we care to use), pleading ignorance, and flat out lying. And even then, I feel that the fact that they volunteered the lies without being ask pushes it to another plane (though I can also see Kat's point as to why they might have felt justified).

Tristan, who was now bare from the waist down was brought into Clayton and Nolan's room, and all three were lectured. Tristan told me that Dean stressed that the other two boys weren't being spanked for not narking on Tristan, and that he'd figured it out when everything fell apart, and Tristan hadn't said mentioned them at all.

Nolan and Clayton also undressed, with Nolan, as the younger, taking first turn over Dad's lap. It wasn't an especially hard spanking, according to Dean, but hard enough to get some tears flowing. Then Clayton got the same. While that was happening, Tristan stood, nose on the wall. After his cousins had received their spankings, he was escorted back to Doug's room, where the brush awaited him.


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