Bransom, TX

a discussion place for our web site


You are not connected. Please login or register

BOTD 05-31-2015 - Save the Snake - A Late Chat Production

View previous topic View next topic Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Skater


Bransom Postmaster
Save the Snake
A Late Night Chat Production

Your son Charlie is 10 years old.

You are a science teacher at the local high school. Charlie attends the elementary next door. He walks over to the high school every afternoon and rides home with you.

Today is a faculty meeting so you set Charlie up in your classroom and suggest he do his homework while you attend meeting.



Charlie

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

One of your students has brought a pet snake for the class to observe. Charlie sees the snake and assumes it is for an "experiment" and will be killed. He rescues the snake by putting it in his backpack and plans to release it when he gets home. While in the car on the way home snake gets loose in car. The snake shocks you and you almost wreck but are able to pull over and secure the snake.
Charlie explains and you have to drive back to school to put the snake back in its tank!

He Charlie in for a roasted rump?



Last edited by Skater on Sun May 31, 2015 4:59 pm; edited 1 time in total


_________________
Can you dig it?
http://www.malespank.net/listAuthor.php?author=Skater

Skater


Bransom Postmaster
Yes he is... red bottom boys and all!


_________________
Can you dig it?
http://www.malespank.net/listAuthor.php?author=Skater

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Are you out of your gourd!!!!????

Leaving an inquisitive kid in a high school lab room (not a classroom) full of stuff that he can get hurt by and even blow up the place.  Yeah -- open a gas jet and cause a spark -- KaaaBooom!!!!  And what's in all those bottles?  Even that snake could inflict a serious bite.

If it had been an ordinary classroom maybe it would have been reasonable to expect him to do his homework.  He should have been supervised -- say in the library, a detention hall or even the office.  He was also at risk from the older kids who find joy in tormenting the younger and weaker.

What's safe for a teen is not safe for ten-year-old.  Also, most places require kids under twelve to be watched (ie, have a sitter).  I would expect that unsupervised kid not enrolled are against the school rules also.  If school security encountered him, then he would have be held.

I'm so over whelmed by the adult offences, I could not even come close to considering spanking the lad for having great empathy for another critter.

Y.

P.S.  A trip to the woodshed is definitely in order for YOU!

http://www.asstr.org/~YLeeCoyote/

1strappedboy


Sherrif
Oh God, you have no idea how very much I absolutely hate snakes!! The Scouts all know this and it isn't too unlikely for me to find a snake in my tent during summer camp. I scream and they laugh their butts off. Given my size, they find it hilarious when I scream like a little girl at the scene of a slitthery one in my 'house'. I'm taking this little guy straight into the den and beating his little rear for him!!

AFinch


Sherrif
I'm with YLC on this one

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
1strappedboy wrote:Oh God, you have no idea how very much I absolutely hate snakes!! 
And he would be OK if he had taken a cute little mouse?

Your personal hate of a whole class of creatures has no bearing on what the lad did and his earning of punishment.

Your reaction is totally irrational and thus wrong.

Y.

http://www.asstr.org/~YLeeCoyote/

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I'm always in sympathy with animal lovers -- at least as long as they aren't loving cockroaches. No punishment.

Kat

David M. Katz


Marshall
Kat wrote:I'm always in sympathy with animal lovers -- at least as long as they aren't loving cockroaches

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Very Happy Razz jocolor


_________________
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
http://www.malespank.net/listAuthor.php?author=David+M.+Katz

Trotzkopf


Kid
No spanking and no other punishment for Charlie. Charlie has a big heart for animals, that is a good charactar trait. It was your mistake to let the boy alone in this room.

squarecutter


Sherrif
I tent to agree wit YLC is probably not the best place to leave a ten year old. I'd hope he would have been told not to touch anything. Back in the day dissection was done in class in the UK , don't know about the States but it would have likely been done on frogs but I think its been banned now, If I as the teacher had a snake phobia would I bring one to my classroom.

While I cant imagine why Charlie would think the snake was there to be killed in a school science experiment I won't spank if this a genuine concern for animals and not Charlie pranking his old Dad

Jack


Admin
Charlie is in for a long, thorough lecture.

Honestly, my desire to tan his hide for stealing (and almost costing another kid his beloved pet) is balanced almost evenly by my understanding of his actions.

In the long run, I do not support PETA or a lot of their actions, so I think Charlie will be getting spanked, but we're going to be very clear on the reasons, and how he should have handled things.


_________________
"In the end, it's just a story. But if you ask me, it's all true."
http://bransomtx.forumotion.net

MemoryMan


Sherrif
I'm with YLC too

http://www.malespank.net/listAuthor.php?author=MemoryMan

1strappedboy


Sherrif
Y Lee Coyote wrote:
1strappedboy wrote:Oh God, you have no idea how very much I absolutely hate snakes!! 
And he would be OK if he had taken a cute little mouse?

Your personal hate of a whole class of creatures has no bearing on what the lad did and his earning of punishment.

Your reaction is totally irrational and thus wrong.

Y.

Actually, Y I wouldn't have so much 'heartburn' with a cute little mouse; I MAY even see the humor in that. If he, like my kids and the Scouts KNOW that I have an issue with the legless ones, then he's being simply cruel towards me/a brat. That being said, I warming his rear and he can think upon his pain and not be a brat in the future.

Jack


Admin
Actually, I have to say that YLC is completely wrong. Of course, I guess it really depends on his own high school. Where I attended, and where my kids attend (same name, new campus), the science lab is separate from the science class room, and Charlie would have no more access to all the dangers Y Lee mentions than he would in his own homeroom.

And if the kid walks over to the school to meet Dad every day, as the scenario says, I think anyone responsible for policing the class rooms would already know him.

I'm a little more iffy between him and Dmitri. While I can understand Dmitri's reaction to Charlie bringing something towards which he knows Dad is phobic into the car, I also don't think that's why Charlie did it, or that he intended it to escape from his backpack (thus probably ruining his chances to free it).


_________________
"In the end, it's just a story. But if you ask me, it's all true."
http://bransomtx.forumotion.net

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I believed the picture more than the text.  The picture shows a LABORATORY not a regular classroom.  If the text is correct, then the additional dangers I cited are not there.  I do however expect the snake to be in a lab rather than a regular but either is possible.

It still boils down to leaving a kid unsupervised where even regular students should not be -- in a classroom after school not part of some program.

The father's phobia was not part of the scenario given.  With a strong phobia it unreasonable that the pet would have been of that sort.  Adding that, I would say that since the lad expected the critter to remain in his backpack it is unreasonable to assume that there was a plan to use it to scare.  The loaned pet could have been anything and the lad might have done the same thing -- rescue it from a cruel fate.

A far more serious issue is that the release of pets into the wild has massive problems.  The creatures may not be fit to survive and are likely to starve or be eaten.  Perhaps worse, it may survive all too well as evidence by packs of feral dog and cat that plage many towns.  The extreme is what has/is happening in the Everglades -- the released pythons are multiplying and growing at an alarming rate and destroying the native wildlife.

Putting a boy into a playground and suggesting that he sit quietly at a table and do his homework right after he finished school is unrealistic and cruel.

Y.

http://www.asstr.org/~YLeeCoyote/

Jack


Admin
Y Lee Coyote wrote:The father's phobia was not part of the scenario given. With a strong phobia it unreasonable that the pet would have been of that sort. Adding that, I would say that since the lad expected the critter to remain in his backpack it is unreasonable to assume that there was a plan to use it to scare. The loaned pet could have been anything and the lad might have done the same thing -- rescue it from a cruel fate.

You're right, but it was part of Dmitri's answer, so I think calling him irrational and wrong is a bit irrational in itself. Yes, phobias are irrational, which is why they're so debilitating and not to be the object of ridicule or assault.

Y Lee Coyote wrote:Putting a boy into a playground and suggesting that he sit quietly at a table and do his homework right after he finished school is unrealistic and cruel.

A parent working late and asking his son to sit at a school desk and do homework is unrealistic and cruel?

I think, at this point, we just need to agree to disagree.


_________________
"In the end, it's just a story. But if you ask me, it's all true."
http://bransomtx.forumotion.net

Emlyn Morgan


Trailboss
"Look, cobra!" whispered the safari driver.  This was in Sri Lanka.  The snake was after a rat for supper, but quick as a flash an eagle owl swooped down from a tree and snatched the rat for its supper!

Anyway, as for Charlie, I'm going to whack him.

talebearer


Cowboy
I tend to concur with YLC. The boy shouldn't have been left alone, or at least told to do his homework and not fiddle with things, and as a science teacher you would know what dangers there would be in that room. He should have already understood that, his dad being a science teacher and all, or maybe not put in that position to begin with. The boy could have sat in the back at your meeting and done his homework there. As for the snake, the boy's instincts were good, he was trying to be humane.

I would not punish the boy, other than getting him to recapture the snake and put it back where it should have been, along with a lecture on how easy it is to harm such a small creature handling it -- someone's pet, yet -- or, by turning it loose, strand it in a place that it might not survive in (EM: I've seen hawks catch snakes in my neighborhood). I would also feel slightly hurt by the boy's notion that I would kill or maim small animals, or permit it in my classroom, and I would tell him so.

(Oh, and 1sb: I don't mind seeing a garter snake in my garden; I would have more trouble with mice, which, among other things, might carry hantavirus in this part of the US, or worse yet, rats. Snakes in their habitat are fine).

http://www.malespank.net/listAuthor.php?author=Talebearer

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Phobias may or may not irrational.  Some may even have some basis in our evolution.  I did not make any statement about his phobia but his use of it to increase punishment.

Consider that I take my ten-year-old triplets to the pet shop and tell them that they are not to put their hands into any cage, container or enclosure of any sort.  It does take very long before I'm distracted and they are petting various critters.  Now none of them is particularly dangerous.  One with some snakes, another with mice and the third with spiders.

I have a great phobia about one class.  Should the triplet that went for that class be punished more harshly than the other two?  I think not and it would be unfair and irrational for me to do so.

Jack wrote:A parent working late and asking his son to sit at a school desk and do homework is unrealistic and cruel?
I agree but that is NOT what is shown in the picture.


Jack wrote:I think, at this point, we just need to agree to disagree.
Agreed.

http://www.asstr.org/~YLeeCoyote/

Iconoclast


Trailboss
I would be surprised and disappointed if my son Charlie, upon being escorted to a HS lab, did anything else then start exploring, no matter what I might have said! Neither would I overly upset if he saw the snake and decided to rescue it. he certainly made the wrong assumption, nor did he ask questions (unless someone told him a lie, as a prank).

Fortunately I found out so I could resolve the situation properly.

So no punishment but he will get a detailed talk.

Iconoclast

Sponsored content


View previous topic View next topic Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum