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BOTD 06-27-2015 - Grand Theft Auto? A DMK Production

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Skater


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GRAND THEFT AUTO?
A DMK Production


This is your son Robbie and his best friend Phil.  Both boys are fourteen and have been close friends since they met in Kindergarten.

PHIL AND ROBBIE - Both 14
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Robbie is spending the night at Phil's house.  Phil's father calls you at 2:00am and says you need to come pick up Robbie as the boys are in trouble.

You arrive and find out what happened.

Phil and Robbie sneaked out of the house and "borrowed" the family car.  Phil knew where the keys were and he was the one who was driving.  Apparently the boys drove around a few neighborhood streets and then returned back to Phil's house.  Fortunately there were no incidents, accidents, or attention from the police.  Phil's father busted the boys red handed as they pulled back in to the driveway from their adventure.  The boys' story was that Phil was proving to Robbie that he knew how to drive.

Neither boy is old enough in your state to hold a permit or license or to be covered on any auto insurance policy.

You take Robbie home.  Robbie maintains that he should not be in trouble as he was not the one driving and he further says it wasn't his idea but he went along because how else was Phil going to prove he could drive.

What happens to Robbie?


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A switch in times nine!


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AFinch


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Robbie may not have been driving, but his accompanying of Phil was tacit approval. I'm with Skater....

John Boy


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AFinch wrote:Robbie may not have been driving, but his accompanying of Phil was tacit approval.  I'm with Skater....
Ditto

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Y Lee Coyote


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I'm terribly disappointed in Robbie to say the least.  He being disloyal to his best friend and intellectually dishonest not only with me but himself.  At fourteen he is already in high school and should know a lot better than to do what he did.  Sad Sad

A session or three in the library (or on the www) to learn about these things and a couple of thousand words explaining things.

If he had acknowledged his wrong doings, then something more standard like the woodshed or grounding.

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Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I don't really think it's the crime of the century, though it could certainly have ended badly if Phil had been in an accident. I agree with Y that Robbie's throwing Phil under the bus isn't admirable. I think Robbie has to share in whatever punishment Phil's father gives him. They're in this together. I make no distinction between principals and accomplices in this sort of behavior.

Kat

ivor


Marshall
I'm going to take the contrary view.

If Phil is putting his hand up and saying it was entirely his idea then in something like this I don't see Robbie as an accomplice but as an accompanier, which to me is a different thing. So, other than pointing out the obvious - of which he is already aware - no further action from me.

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Jack


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First, I'm going to introduce Robbie to the concept of 'accessory'. I also question why Phil felt the need to prove he could drive, if Robbie hadn't encouraged him to prove it.

Robbie knows the penalty for illegal behavior, and he was accessory to GTA, so he's going to strip down and go get a switch. When he gets back, I'll take the switch from him, and the two of us will have a long discussion about what could have resulted from their actions.

Part of me feels like we should find out what will happen to Phil, and the two boys punishments should be almost matched. I think I might have to send Robbie to bed unswitched, so I can calm down enough to be fair about this. On the other hand, I think a trip over my lap for a long dose of the small Lexan will probably be serious enough, while letting him know that I did cut him a little slack.


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Jack


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ivor wrote:I'm going to take the contrary view.

If Phil is putting his hand up and saying it was entirely his idea then in something like this I don't see Robbie as an accomplice but as an accompanier, which to me is a different thing. So, other than pointing out the obvious - of which he is already aware - no further action from me.

Ivor, you have a point, except that it doesn't say Phil said it was all his idea. It says that Robbie says it was all Phil's idea. On the other hand, I don't completely agree with Y Lee and Kat either. I don't see this as 'throwing Phil under the bus', because Robbie making this claim won't effect what happens to Phil in the least. True, it would be good if Robbie admitted his culpability and owned it, and also true that you'd think a teenage boy would have run across the idea of an accessory before, but you can't be sure.

On the other hand, I like Y Lee's idea of making Robbie spend some time researching the laws to see what could have happened.


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Pi Beta


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Phil is clearly guilty of TWOC and Robbie is an accomplice - clear and serious breaches of the criminal law. An under age driver would also not be covered by insurance so the dangers if Phil had had an accident could have been greatly multiplied.

Having frigidly explained this in words of one syllable to Robbie, I would have sent him to bed to stew while I calmed down.

In the morning, I'd want to find out from Phil's father how he had dealt with Phil. As long as I considered Phil's punishment suitably but not over severe, I'd then mete out similar punishment to Robbie to the extent of about 75% of that Phil suffered since Phil was the greater transgressor.

MemoryMan


Sherrif
The boys are equally guilty and should receive equal punishment.

Phil may have been the driver but if Robbie had refused to go along the event WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

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StevieWeeks


Trailboss
A few days in the oubliette will sort him out and all...

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squarecutter


Sherrif
Pi Beta wrote:Phil is clearly guilty of TWOC and Robbie is an accomplice - clear and serious breaches of the criminal law. An under age driver would also not be covered by insurance so the dangers if Phil had had an accident could have been greatly multiplied.

Having frigidly explained this in words of one syllable to Robbie, I would have sent him to bed to stew while I calmed down.

In the morning, I'd want to find out from Phil's father how he had dealt with Phil. As long as I considered Phil's punishment suitably but not over severe, I'd then mete out similar punishment to Robbie to the extent of about 75% of that Phil suffered since Phil was the greater transgressor.


I agree with that

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