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1 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:12 pm

Jack


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You have two sons. Nine-year old Riley and twelve year old Thomas.

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The boys have spent the last two weeks with your parents, back in your own home town. They had a number of things planned. Among the things you had planned for while they were gone was a bit of work on their rooms. They needed to have the carpets cleaned, the walls painted, and honestly, Thomas has been begging to get rid of some of the 'little kid' furniture in his room for a while.

One definite thing about Thomas is that he's a computer nerd.


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While you were upgrading his room, you decided to give him a real treat, by updating his memory and adding some software for which he'd been asking.

When the work is finished, and you have the computer set up at his new desk, you go to upgrade the software, only to realize that he's made some changes of his own. It requires the administrator's password to install software, but you realize that Thomas has somehow obtained your password, made himself an administrator, and used it to remove the Net Nanny software you installed, so he can access any web sites. He's also changed the settings so his browser doesn't retain his browsing history.

You don't know how Thomas could have obtained your password, but you do know that he violated every rule of computer use the two of you had agreed on when you let him have the computer.

Thomas is going to be starting seventh grade next month. You have never spanked Thomas with anything but your hand, but you were in seventh grade when you received your own taste of the belt. Is it time for Thomas to have his first taste of leather? Is there a better way to handle it? Does the fact that he still has a week at your parents before you bring him home effect your decision?


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2 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:50 pm

Iconoclast


Trailboss
Thomas has done everything right! He can, even now, advertise his services as a computer consultant, specializing in security! I will tell him to make up some adds and start passing them around! The fact that he is still 12 will not be a problem.

Iconoclast

3 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:11 pm

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I have mixed feelings about this. I really don't like censoring a bright kid's access to most things. I don't give a damn if he's peeking at porn, and he seems savvy enough to avoid viruses, Trojan horses, malware and so on. The only things that really concern me are 1) the possibility of him interacting with predatory adults; and 2) exposure to some of the really graphic, disturbing images that are on the internet, such as crime scene photographs of homicides. I think I'll have a long talk with Thomas about what I've discovered and try to come to some reasonable boundaries. It's no use thinking I can keep a kid with his resources from undoing any sort of software solution; and I don't really want to limit his computer use to times when I can directly supervise him. The two of us must come to a meeting of the minds on this, and I don't see myself using punishment to accomplish that.

Kat

4 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:22 pm

John Boy


Sherrif
The computer will be missing when he gets back, we will then talk about my discovery. I shall then see how he wants to earn his computer and my trust back.

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5 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:24 pm

StevieWeeks


Trailboss
Throw his computer out and replace it with one of these...

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then make him pay the hydro bill out of his allowance...

6 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:09 pm

mahoover


Cowboy
Until the kids were in their mid-teens, the internet connected computer was always in a "public" room. It was so that when they were using the computer, it would be easy and obvious that we as parents could see what they were doing. There are a lot of things on the internet that I don't want younger kids running into on their own. Others in the thread have mentioned some of them. This was long enough ago that there was such a thing as a computer without internet access. Smile Now even phones have internet access.

So either the computer is going to loose internet access, or it is going to move. I will let the boys enjoy their stay at the grandparents, and when they get back the computer will be in a "public" space, and we will have a talk. Depending on how Thomas reacts, he is likely to continue to get a hand spanking, but how he reacts could adjust things in either direction. And I will see if he wants to have the computer back in his room with no internet access.

7 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:55 pm

AFinch


Sherrif
I'm going to agree with Kat. You can't protect kids (or anyone) from the rest of the world by isolating them from it. They need to learn how to function within it. Pandora's Box has already been opened.

He's proven he's bright enough to defeat "net nanny" security. Short of an outright ban on computer use unless an adult is standing over him, which would, I think, be counterproductive, we're going to need to come to a meeting of the minds. I can't see that punishment will accomplish anything other than causing resentment.

8 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:12 pm

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Like Kat, I am of two minds about my computer wiz of a son.  Surely he violated the rules I dictated yet I have to be proud of what he has achieved technically.  It is clear that I've messed up in several ways.  I used an inadequate password or he was very cleaver and hacked around it.  Second, since he is a computer wiz, I should not be modifying his 'puter -- although I could "help" (i.e., show I don't trust him) install new software which requires that admin password.  Third, Tom will be upset because I been nosing about his 'puter and who knows what I've been reading.  Fourth, I again proved that I still think of him as a baby because the boy should have been active in selecting new furniture and et cetera. [NB: this was not clear in the description.]

I'll note that Tom has not been sneaky because he has not hidden what he has done.  It would have been better to have changed the settings on Net Nanny than to remove it.  I obviously, have not checked its reports for some time.

Just like Runaway Randy in bransomtx.forumotion.net/t6833-botd-7-23-15-runaway-randy-a-dmk-production my son is growing up and I am ignoring that unpleasant fact.

It is time to reset the rules.  Tom's pants stay up.

Y.

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9 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:11 am

ivor


Marshall
The worrying things is that he may start doing the opposite of what Icono suggests and 'advertise' his services to his friends to remove whatever protection their parents have installed on their computers, before turning into a proper hacker.

We need a long conversation in which I will have to try and convince him that there are places out there he shouldn't go. If I fell I've failed to achieve that then perhaps I have to remove the computer from his room.

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10 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:49 am

Padraig


Trailboss
First of all in seventh grade he will need computer and internet access so removing both is out of question. I will certainly not tell him, but I would have been disappointed if he didn't try to remove the restrictions from his computer. That he actually succeeded speaks volumes about not only his computer skills but also mine... Embarassed

Well, his computer gets a fresh start, fresh passwords and settings. Maybe the restrictions will be a bit on the strict side. I'll wait and see what happens. I bet he will come soon, once he learned he was busted. Then we can talk things out.

11 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:56 am

MemoryMan


Sherrif
I agree wholeheartedly with YL's fourth point.

Regarding the computer I have mixed feelings; Tom has betrayed trust.

In the short term he will come home to find that his computer has a new secure admin password, his user's account had been renamed and given a new password and a pristine guest account has been set up under his old user name.

Whether or not his butt pays a fee for reinstatement will depend on the outcome of the conversation we are about to have.

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12 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:15 am

squarecutter


Sherrif
If I've only ever used my hand is Thomas used to the idea that I could use a belt on him from now on. I am going to reverse his changes and change my password. When Thomas comes home I will tell him I am on to him, give him a hand spanking, chew him out and tell him that if I see it happening again he will get the belt and I will confiscate his PC for a month. Hopefully that will put the fear of God into him.

13 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:07 am

Jack


Admin
I'm not going to say anything about this yet. The one interesting thing I see is all the people who are proud of Thomas for his 'technical expertise', and are ignoring the fact that he somehow had to obtain your password to make the changes.

Yeah, and Icono: Stealing passwords doesn't really make one a security expert.


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14 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:45 am

ivor


Marshall
Jack wrote:I'm not going to say anything about this yet.  The one interesting thing I see is all the people who are proud of Thomas for his 'technical expertise', and are ignoring the fact that he somehow had to obtain your password to make the changes.  


True, Jack. But we also don't know what level of security your password had or if you just happened to leave it written down and lying around somewhere.

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15 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:52 pm

Iconoclast


Trailboss
Jack wrote:I'm not going to say anything about this yet.  The one interesting thing I see is all the people who are proud of Thomas for his 'technical expertise', and are ignoring the fact that he somehow had to obtain your password to make the changes.  

Yeah, and Icono: Stealing passwords doesn't really make one a security expert.

If you want access to a Winblows computer and do not know the Administrator's password you can use Google for a few seconds to find a Linux live disk to discover and/or change it because the password is on the HDD  unencrypted, as Thomas probably knows.  Of coarse Winblows will not let you see it so you start the computer with Linux and look anything you want!  Thus stealing the password is unnecessary.

If you do not believe me just Google "unlocking a Windows computer linux"

Properly locking a Winblows computer for security does show strong computer security knowledge!

Iconoclast

16 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:35 pm

kalico


Sherrif
I'm going to keep quiet until the boys are home but while they are away I will reset everything and change passes....I will then be moving the computer to a public location until he can earn my trust back.....he stole my pass and changed things I put on his computer to protect him so he will be getting paddled for that.....I'm proud of him but he went behind my back!



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17 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:52 pm

AFinch


Sherrif
Jack wrote:I'm not going to say anything about this yet.  The one interesting thing I see is all the people who are proud of Thomas for his 'technical expertise', and are ignoring the fact that he somehow had to obtain your password to make the changes.  

Yeah, and Icono: Stealing passwords doesn't really make one a security expert.

Let me be clear. I'm not "proud of Thomas" for defeating my attempted security. But he HAS defeated it. We're going to talk at length about the fact that locks are designed for honest people, and that he has shown himself to be dishonest, or at best, deceitful. I don't think CP is going to teach him anything in this case, except perhaps to not get caught next time. We will discuss the fact that being ABLE TO DO something does NOT mean you SHOULD do it.

18 Re: 27 July 2015 - Two Weeks Later on Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:27 am

Jack


Admin
I had not planned on running this as a BOTD, because I didn't know what happened after Paul had a chance to sit down with Thomas and talk to him. Actually, that talk probably hadn't even happened when I posted this BOTD.

There were two factors that several people mentioned, but that were different in this specific case. First, there's not a good place to put the computer in a public area, just because of how their home is laid out. Second, Paul is a devout Catholic, and he does have trouble with his underage son looking at pornography (though he would probably be willing to discuss what exactly was pornographic from what I know of him).

From what he told me when we talked, Thomas didn't actually obtain his (Paul's) password. The problem was that he would have to get him mom to okay pages for him, when they were blocked for some weird reasons. One time, something distracted her when she was okaying something, and that's when Thomas made the changes. It was really kind of a spur of the moment thing, apparently.

Thomas did get spanked for this, but it wasn't so much for changing the settings or what he might have been looking at. He was spanked because, when he asked to have a computer in his room, he and his parents sat down, discussed things, and came to terms on what they thought would be acceptable. Thomas accepted those terms. By doing what he did, he broke his word, and that was what led to a sore bottom for him.


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