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BOTD 01-05-2015 For All Intents And Purposes - A Jack Production

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Skater


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FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES
A Jack Production

Your son and your nephew are both 12.  They've been best friends all their lives.  You treat your nephew the same as your son, and both of them have made frequent trips over your lap, both alone and together.  

Shane (left, son) and David (right, nephew) are both 12.

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Shane has to have the laptop for a special computer class he's using.  However, he has a bad habit of downloading 'free' stuff, which ends up getting all kinds of malware and cookies which you've had to stop and remove.  This has happened several times, despite the warnings you've given him.  Since he needs the laptop for class, you promised him the next time he downloaded that kind of free stuff, you'd give him a 'world class whuppin'.  

Seeing the two boys lying like that, you check to see if they're looking at porn.  Instead, they're looking at some free downloads.  Shane gets upset that you're 'checking up on (him)', saying he's just looking, and he hasn't done anything wrong.  When you check, however, you find the anti-virus is turned off (again!), but he hasn't actually downloaded anything.

Is intent enough, does he need a lesson he'll remember?  And what happens to David?


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squarecutter


Sherrif
Sounds like I've caught them in time. Obviously I can't prove anything but I am going to close one particular loophole. If Shane, or David for that matter switch off parental controls or, turn off the anti virus unless under supervison then that will earn them a whupping along with downloading dubious freeware. If David was unaware of that before he certainly is now

Iconoclast


Trailboss
I will forget my silly threat and instead do something practical, because one of the best things about the internet is all the stuff you can download for free!

So I will take the computer from the boys and make a full backup of the disk now, today. If (when!) the system becomes corrupted the disk can simply be erased and the copy I have made restored to it. I will also remind the boys to always save everything they want to keep on flashdrives so none of it will be lost when the disk does become corrupted by malware.

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AFinch


Sherrif
I'm going to agree with Square, though Icono does have a point. Not much point having an internet if you can't use it. At the moment, I wish I had one of my very own, instead of having to borrow bandwidth from friends.

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I'm going along with Icono.

Kat

ivor


Marshall
I'll also go along with Square.

As for Icono's suggestion - yes, but with two provisos. Firstly it involves me in additional work as can they be relied upon to remember to take copies at the end of every session/day? Secondly if they or I take copies to flash drive won't we also be copying the malware there?

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MemoryMan


Sherrif
Turning off the anti virus is the crime.

Deliberate direct disobedience deserves a drubbing. Mad

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John Boy


Sherrif
Maybe I should let him kill the computer and then make him Work extra hard to pay me back for a new one Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad

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Jack


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Iconoclast wrote:I will forget my silly threat and instead do something practical, because one of the best things about the internet is all the stuff you can download for free!

So I will take the computer from the boys and make a full backup of the disk now, today.  If (when!) the system becomes corrupted the disk can simply be erased and the copy I have made restored to it.  I will also remind the boys to always save everything they want to keep on flashdrives so none of it will be lost when the disk does become corrupted by malware.

Iconoclast

Icono - I think it's at least implied in the scenario that the boys don't do this, and that they do turn off the anti-virus to download stuff they're told isn't safe (as shown by the fact that it's off now).

I think your idea is great, as a way of teaching them what to do, but do you really want to just let them continue to do what they've been told not to do?


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Padraig


Trailboss
If it was just a toy I would say: pimp up the security a bit and let him live with the consequences. But it is not, it is an important tool for his school. They probably connect the computer to an school network or at least swap files so he puts others at risk too. At 12 he should be able to understand that.

But instead of comming down on him hard I should teach him how to enjoy the internet without jeopardising the computer (restricted user accounts, sandboxes, virtual machines etc. and most important: read first, click later).

No punishment this time, but a warning.

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