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BOTD 04-21-2016 Mercy for Marcus? - A Kat Production

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Skater


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Mercy for Marcus?
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You teach fourth grade boys in a small private school where the students in general consider corporal punishment to be the nuclear option of classroom punishments. You usually reserve swats for repeat offenses or issues that you consider very serious. The most common classroom punishment is losing either part or all of recess. Today you gave Marcus a 15-minute recess detention, which means sitting out half of his recess. The behavior was relatively minor, but not something you felt you could overlook or for which you could let him off with a warning.

Marcus - 4th Grade ( 9 )
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Now he has approached you in tears, asking if you will give him swats instead of making him sit out. He looks forward to the inevitable soccer game during recess more than most.

Will his personal feeling that losing recess is worse than swats change your mind about his punishment?


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StevieWeeks


Trailboss
Nope...

Not changing school policy just because of a recess soccer game...

Stevie.

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
The loss of recess is totally unacceptable as it impacts both education and development of young students.

The entire system must be changed.

Y

Here is ONE reference: https://cspinet.org/new/pdf/Alternatives_to_Withholding_Recess.pdf

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Padraig


Trailboss
I doo agree with YLC.

David M. Katz


Marshall
I see no reason not to give one age appropriate swat. Go play soccer. It will help burn off his excess energy.


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AFinch


Sherrif
Sorry. I agree with Stevie. I also agree with Y Lee--but since the PC "scientists" have taken every other form of discipline from teachers, "time outs", misguided though they may be, are the only currently acceptable option, other than, of course, letting the kids do whatever they please. Based on recent experiences on college campuses, it seems that a whole lot of kids have been raised to do just that.

Emlyn Morgan


Trailboss
Hmm. Tricky one, this. scratch

Pi Beta


Deputy
Much as I sympathise with his request, it's not up to Marcus to choose his own punishment. However, I'll promise him that if there is a next time, I'll accede to his request, but at the next level!

ivor


Marshall
Recess detentions are not that uncommon it appears so Marcus must have known what to expect. I see no good reason to change my mind - and if I do then I'll have to do the same in future for the other kids.

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Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
AFinch wrote: "time outs", misguided though they may be, are the only currently acceptable option,.
This is not a time out but preventing a child from participating in a class.  It is no less wrong than keeping a child out of a, say, math lesson.

Y.

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StevieWeeks


Trailboss
It is NOT a class... the scenario refers to an impromptu game of soccer that usually occurs during recess, not an organised event.

It won't do yon lad any harm to sit it out for one day and all...

Stevie.

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
Stevie is correct: this isn't a PE class but a straightforward recess. As a teacher, though, I think depriving a child of recess is much worse than his missing PE. From my own observations, kids are far more active during recess than during structured physical activities. It's also a time for them to socialize and decompress.

I'll grant Marcus' request. He is choosing a punishment that the majority of students see as harsher, so I doubt the others will demand this option; but if they do, so what? Offering cp as an option to detention is becoming fairly common among schools that retain cp. Allowing kids some say in their discipline is probably a good thing. Choices within certain limitations would seem to me authoritative, whereas simply imposing punishments is authoritarian. If punishment is meant to be part of discipline, i.e., teaching the kid, rather than merely punishing him into submission, it stands to reason that a punishment in which he has had a say will have greater effect.

1 swat instead of recess detention.

Kat

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
I guess that it is obvious that I disagree.  The education process is far more than formal classes.  As was pointed out already recess probably will provide more exercise than PE but that is actually secondary.  But sitting out recess will degrade the effectiveness of the next lesson which is the point. 

Perhaps after school detention is proper.

Y.

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ivor


Marshall
I suspect that in this day and age rather than the 'inevitable game of soccer' quite a few of them are sitting/standing around with their mobile phones in hand either playing a game or app or texting their friends. So the only exercise they get will be for their fingers.

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Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
ivor wrote:I suspect that in this day and age rather than the 'inevitable game of soccer' quite a few of them are sitting/standing around with their mobile phones in hand either playing a game or app or texting their friends.

Ivor, I think you'd be surprised by how hard some of the elementary students play. It's not until the middle school years that they become sedentary.

Kat

squarecutter


Sherrif
No. Whatever Marcus may feel, swats is an escalation of a punishment. Moreover I think one half of recess missed is not onerous but will clearly send Marcus the message I want to send. I also don't want to cheapen the currency of swats for this age group

db105


Trailboss
Unless it is a serious breach of the school disciplinary rules, I'll just give him a swat or two (depending on how hard they are) and let him go to recess. It was not such a big deal, so if he is so distressed about it I don't see the harm in giving him some leeway in choosing his punishment.

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Jack


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I read back over the scenario carefully. The kids consider CP to be the nuclear option, and I (you) use recess detentions as the common punishment. There seems to be absolutely no reason not to accede to Marcus request, as long as he realizes that this had best correct his behavior.


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