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BOTD 08-25-2016 Blast from the Past - 1982- Sorting out the Centerfold Coontroversy- Kat

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Blast from the Past – 1982 – Sorting Out the Centerfold Controversy
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You are the vice principal in charge of disciplining freshmen and sophomores at Fillmore High School with the aid of your trusty paddle and the detention hall. Today, you have two fourteen-year-old boys in your office. Their algebra teacher has referred them.

Travis - 14
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Austin - 14
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Travis, it seems, has one of those notebooks with sealable pocket covers for displaying photographs, drawings, and so on. Travis put a nude centerfold in his, but covered the model’s breasts and pubic area with other memorabilia. Austin, growing bored with the FOIL method, snatched Travis’s notebook and took out the centerfold with the intention of passing it around. Travis’s attempts to get the centerfold back drew the teacher’s attention. She considers Travis has violated the school policy on pornographic materials, while Austin is guilty of… stealing, bullying, disrupting class? She leaves it to you to figure it out, but the boy is guilty of something.

Travis protests that all the objectionable bits of the centerfold were covered until Austin messed with his notebook; and besides, it wasn’t pornography but art. Austin protests that he was just kidding around, so come on, man – no big deal, right?

Actual policy on pornography: “No student shall be in possession of pornographic or obscene material on campus. Any student found to be in possession of such material is subject to disciplinary action.” (Like US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart (deceased), the school doesn’t attempt to define pornography but knows it when it sees it.)


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AFinch


Sherrif
Realistically in 1982, both boys are in trouble.

I was a counselor at a summer camp in 1977. On the first night, one of my 11 year olds came up and proudly announced "I have a Playboy". "That's nice." "Don't you care?" "No, but I hope you got a subscription. It's a LOT cheaper that way."

I never saw the Playboy the rest of camp. And I checked after the boys went home--he'd forgotten it under his bunk mattress.

I think it would be far less attractive if it weren't "forbidden fruit".

Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Travis has a valid point.  The material in question was readily available on the newsstands and allowed to past through the post without issue.  And it is not any different than what the class saw on their trip to the art museum.  Of course, what was hung on the walls in my little village of New York may not have been done in some other places.

Austin was being a fourteen-year-old fooling about but that just par for the course.  He owes Travis an apology which shouldn't be too hard for the boys to both deal with.

The teacher's report is NOT appropriate in this country.  Basically she said: "He is guilty and before you shoot him, concoct the charge."  Totally unacceptable in a free country and teaches the wrong message.

She should have ordered them both to stop, return the whatever, get back into their seats and get on with the class.  If they failed, then to the office for disruption.

Y.

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Iconoclast


Trailboss
I shall send the 2 students back to their algebra teacher with a note instructing her/him to provide me with the official district definition of pornography before I will do anything! Of coarse I know that the requested definition doesn't exist!

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ivor


Marshall
For me Austin is more in trouble than Travis as he is the one who disrupted the class. That I an obvious breach of discipline whereas Travis might be considered to be on the borderline but has not fully exposed himself.

Travis loses his centrefold; Austin can choose between two detentions or two licks.

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Jack


Admin
I wasn't a teacher until 1986, and there's no statement of where this school could be found, but I think it's pretty straightforward.

As far as I know, all the magazines that had nudes in them (I'm guessing this is from a Playboy, but I couldn't find anything specific) were only to be sold to 18 or over. Travis doesn't qualify. While I don't think what Austin did rises to theft, or even bullying (especially not at that time), he definitely disrupted class in a way he should have seen as avoidable. For that matter, Travis' reaction pretty much shows he knew he shouldn't have the 'artwork' with him.

I'm dealing with each boy separately. Travis will wait in the office while I explain to Austin that it's not acceptable to take other people's things, even as a joke, and that if he doesn't want to pass algebra, he needs to be quiet about it - other people need to pass, or might even be interested. He'll be getting three swats.

With Travis, I'm going to point out that the rules say 'in possession of', not 'displaying. He can take two swats, or we can schedule a conference with his parents. If he actually thinks this was okay, I don't want to paddle him for it, but I'm willing to bet he didn't really think it was okay, and that he doesn't want it brought to his parents attention.


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Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Jack solution re Travis is BLACKMAIL!

Blackmail is NOT proper!

Y.

P.S. It may have been inappropriate but it was not porn nor was there any evidence of being acquired in violation of any statute.

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Jack


Admin
Y Lee Coyote wrote:Jack solution re Travis is BLACKMAIL!

Blackmail is NOT proper!

Y.

P.S. It may have been inappropriate but it was not porn nor was there any evidence of being acquired in violation of any statute.

1) You should really look up the definition of words before you use them.

2) No. As I stated, if he really believes it's okay, then he learned that from his parents, who'll support him. If he knows he was wrong, then he'd prefer to settle it now and let it drop. I'm actually doing the opposite of threatening him.

3) I'm the principal in 1982, I have no need to 'blackmail' him into following the rules or paying the penalty.

As for the PS - It's a nude centerfold. I don't know how it was in your area back then, but around here, you had to be 18 to buy it. I have no way of conforming the laws about possession at that time, but the school rule about it is clear. The only thing I'll bend to is to add the caveat that I'm replying to this as a Texas teacher, and that would be considered pornography here - especially at that time.


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Y Lee Coyote


Cowboy
Jack,

It not so much what you were proposing but how.  From M-W, blackmail is << extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution>>.  If what he was doing was wrong then you, the principal, are supposed to inform the parents.

Although one needed to be eighteen to BUY the magazine with the picture of the beautiful girl one could FIND such things in the public spaces.  I suspect that it was the act of selling rather than buying that was the crime but IMNAL.

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squarecutter


Sherrif
it would bother me more i Travis was displaying this stuff round the school and I think thats what the school rule was driving at. Were it boarding school there would be dorm checks etc and it was understood You got caught , you got dealt with . But teachers might look in lockers or under desk lids but not in peoples wallets. No for me Austin gets detention for disruption and teasing, being 14 basically. I will strongly "advise" Travis to take the "filth" home, hide it from his Mom Embarassed and keep it there. I will be less tolerant if this recurs because he has porn on him.

Kat


Editor Extraordinaire
I'm with Ivor on this one.

Austin is at the very least guilty of disrupting the class. He instigated the situation by taking Travis's notebook, and then he escalated it by refusing to give back the notebook and the centerfold.

I'm inclined to give Travis a one-time pass for possessing the centerfold. He wasn't showing it around and had taken steps to disguise the model's nudity. Bringing it to school was bad judgement, but I just can't justify punishing a kid when a classmate's horseplay is the only reason anyone in authority knows about the centerfold.

As to whether or not the centerfold constitutes pornography, I think community standards would come into play. If the school is in a small Texas community, then I think school administrators *would* treat a centerfold such as those found in Playboy as pornography. Other communities might very well take a different attitude. I left this vague to allow for subjectivity in responses.

In case anyone is interested, I based this on a real incident. A friend was the one who brought the centerfold in his notebook and had some asshat grab it up. The actual teacher chewed out "Austin" and confiscated "Travis's" centerfold. I don't care to speculate whether or not that teacher disposed of it or kept it for his own enjoyment. Razz

Kat

Jack


Admin
Y Lee Coyote wrote:Jack,

It not so much what you were proposing but how.  From M-W, blackmail is << extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution>>.  If what he was doing was wrong then you, the principal, are supposed to inform the parents.

Although one needed to be eighteen to BUY the magazine with the picture of the beautiful girl one could FIND such things in the public spaces.  I suspect that it was the act of selling rather than buying that was the crime but IMNAL.

Y.

Go back and actually READ my post, because I answered that at the very beginning.


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