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BOTD 02-21-2017 Just Wait Until I Get you Down From There - A Squarecutter Production

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JUST WAIT UNTIL I GET YOU DOWN FROM THERE
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This is Daniel now known as Desperate Dan by his family. He is just seven and a real scamp.
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It seems Daniel recently made the paper.  Here is an excerpt from the article:

An adventurous seven-year-old climbed 50ft up a giant seaside rock and ended up getting stranded for two hours desperately clinging to the rockface. The schoolboy was enjoying his half-term break when he spotted the giant Goscar rock at the picturesque North Beach in Tenby, West Wales. Like any naturally curious schoolboy he started climbing and, despite being told to stop, continued until he realised he could not get back down again - leaving him stranded and clinging to the rock.

One beach-goer who witnessed the rescue said: 'What a little scamp. I heard him being told to come down when he was only about 12 feet up.It would have saved a lot of bother. But he kept on going.'


Daniel was rescued but what happened once you got him down and in a private area?



(The referenced article is here:  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4235116/Schoolboy-scaled-50ft-rock-getting-stuck-hours.html)


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A spanking, with the color of that T-shirt as an end-point reference.

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To me, the real question is, 'who told him to stop'? If it was me or someone whom he should have recognized as being in authority, he'll be getting lots of long, tight hugging, until I'm sure he's already, then I'll wear him out. If it was just some random person, we'll have a long talk about what he was thinking and safety before I decide if and how much spanking he needs.


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I am with Jack on this; if it was another kid near his age or even older, then he would not grant any authority to that voice, and it might even spur him on to climb even further up on the rock. If there was no authority recognized, then simply being told to stop and come on down would not have been effective.

On the other hand, if it was an adult or someone whom he did see as an authority, then he would have stopped climbing.

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AFinch

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I am with Jack as well

Y Lee Coyote

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I’m not sure who he was defying by not stopping but why should he listen to a stranger who could mean him harm as he has been taught.  If it was his dad then the question is why is the relationship so bad that he continued to climb and why didn’t Dad immediately follow?

It sound like he was left on his own on a pretty empty beach with lots of kid attractive hazards like a huge rock to climb and an ocean to swim in.  Very likely an adult failed in supervision.

By the time he was resuced he surely was petrified and spanking to totally inappropriate IMHO.  Discussion about being careful and limiting risk are in order.

Oh, and as a precaution one of these.

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which should keep him down to earth.

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ivor

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It isn't clear who told him to stop, but his parents were in the vicinity although seemingly not keeping a very close eye on him.

As this incident occurred in the UK he won't have been spanked, but transfer it elsewhere and one would be pretty sure to follow a la Jack.



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db105

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Desperate Dan deserves a spanking, particularly if his parents or an adult in charge of him were the ones who told him to stop. But even if it was a random stranger, he would still deserve a spanking for sheer irresponsibility.

However, after being stranded for hours he might be so shaken that no additional punishment is required. So it all depends on his attitude afterwards and how the experience has affected him. A normal child might be terrified, but maybe our little daredevil isn't. If he is upbeat and proud of his "accomplishment" he is toast.

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MemoryMan

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Two hours scared to death .................... NATURAL CONSEQUENCES WILL SUFFICE.

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squarecutter

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db105 wrote:Desperate Dan deserves a spanking, particularly if his parents or an adult in charge of him were the ones who told him to stop. But even if it was a random stranger, he would still deserve a spanking for sheer irresponsibility.

However, after being stranded for hours he might be so shaken that no additional punishment is required. So it all depends on his attitude afterwards and how the experience has affected him. A normal child might be terrified, but maybe our little daredevil isn't. If he is upbeat and proud of his "accomplishment" he is toast.

I agree with that, It may be swats and hugs together depending how he is when he reaches the ground. We will certainly be talking about the nuisance he caused the local fire and rescue service and why he chose to go higher when called

I had thought it was a parent who had called out and it was the gloriously old fashioned nature of the line that tickled me when I read it.

It does seem to me that a parent may have been distracted and suddenly realised the boy was out of reach before it was noticed

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Ah, yes, Goscar Rock, I know it well.  I've climbed it myself as a teenager. A boy I knew got stranded there one summer night with a fisherman.  Well, they said they were stranded.

Looking at the pictures, it's easy to see the boy was frightened. I can't see why it took two hours to rescue him. I'm going to whack the firemen.

Y Lee Coyote

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Emlyn Morgan wrote:  I can't see why it took two hours to rescue him.  I'm going to whack the firemen.

That's because their ladder was too short.  Note how the firefighter had to climb off his ladder to get the boy.

Don't blame the firefighters because they don't provide the equipment.  The TOWN COUNCIL did not appropriate the moneys to properly supply the brave firefighters for a reoccurring situation.  They are the ones to whack.

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Jack

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Now that everyone's had a chance to answer, I have to admit I probably would have climbed it myself.


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Y Lee Coyote wrote:

Don't blame the firefighters because they don't provide the equipment.  The TOWN COUNCIL did not appropriate the moneys to properly supply the brave firefighters for a reoccurring situation.  They are the ones to whack.

Y.

Fire services in the UK are responsible for their own equipment procurement, not the local councils. I suspect that in terms of the heights of buildings in that part of Wales, few buildings are taller than 3 stories. They should have had access to a hydraulic lift - though that would probably be stored in a fire station in a larger community - and might not have been stable on the sand if used. I'm a little surprised they didn't use the helicopter but may have feared the downdraught on the boy might dislodge him.

Y Lee Coyote

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Pi Beta wrote:Fire services in the UK are responsible for their own equipment procurement, not the local councils.
I doubt that they have tax power so they are dependent on the local councils for their funds.

I doubt that this was the first time nor the last that a rescue was required on that high rock. They were not prepared for a predictable need.

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Padraig

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The 46 fire and rescue authorities in England are funded in a variety of ways, including income from central Government and revenue raised locally. Income and resources vary depending on the structure of the authority.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7482

Nevertheless, it took way too long to get the lad down. It's a rock, not a mountain, after all.

Whether he gets some reinforcement of today's lesson depends on his attitude.

David M. Katz

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MemoryMan wrote:Two hours scared to death .................... NATURAL CONSEQUENCES WILL SUFFICE.

DITTO to this.


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