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BOTD 6/18/17 "No Returns Allowed?" A Kat Production

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David M. Katz

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No Returns Allowed?
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Your thirteen-year-old son Matthew mows the grass every week during the growing season. He is very good about getting this done, but lately he has been complaining that one of the neighbors is letting his dog Nimby shit on your lawn. Matthew either has to remove the piles of dog shit himself or run the mower over them, which he finds disgusting. You spoke to Nimby's owner about the problem and he promised he would pick up after his pet.

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This morning Matthew started to cut the grass and found a fresh, steaming pile on the lawn. He promptly shoveled it onto his scooper and marched over to the neighbor's house. He knocked on the door and as soon as it was opened, said,

"Your dog left this in on our front lawn so I'm returning it."

Then he dumped the shit on the neighbor's doorstep.

Now the neighbor is furious. He claims Nimby didn't leave the shit and he wants you to do something about Matthew.


What do you do about Matthew?


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I normally hate to pick at scenarios, but this one doesn't offer quite enough information for me to make an informed decision. I really want to know three things

a) How do we know Nimby has been leaving deposits in our lawn?

b) How long has it been since I spoke to Nimby's owner about the problem?

c) Has he been keeping his word about cleaning up.

No matter what the answer to those questions, I am definitely having a talk with Matthew. There are ways to behave, ways not to behave, and ways to escalate problems. What he did was the latter.

Having said that, unless there was STRONG reason to believe this wasn't Nimby, I'm simply going to remind the neighbor that if he'd been a good neighbor and taken care of his dog and it's droppings in the first place, this wouldn't have happened. Since he never saw the need to apologize for all the mess left previously, which has been left to Matt to deal with, I'm not sure Matthew owes as much as an apology.

(On the other hand, I do expect him to apologize to me and to regret his behavior (or at least understand that he wasn't right), or he and I might end up having a problem after all).


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Peter_Z

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Somehow you are glad you that yours neighbors own shit got rubbed under the nose.

In the first moment I would laugh but at the same time I am shocked that my 13 year old son did such a agressive thing.
Thought I have told him always to be respectful with everyone.
Does he need a spanking?
At least I will have a serious talk with him and at the end he has to clean our neighbours doorstep.
If he understands and does clean his mess - it should be ok.

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Ditto Jack

18Smacked

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Yes, I will have to concur with Jack and Kier here.

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Adric

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And I'm also with Jack and Kier and 18Smacked.

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kalico

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Ditto jack





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I'm joining the consensus.

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ivor

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It would have been better to just dump the shit on the doorstep and let the neighbour tread in it when he next walked out front.

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David M. Katz

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My only concern with this is that Matthew was not certain the droppings were from Nimby.  Based on past experience I can certainly understand why he made the assumption.  (Frankly, I think the neighbor is lying or is in denial and Nimby did indeed pay our lawn another visit.)  But, Matthew jumped to a conclusion he should not have made.  All of us are guilty of this but I can see how, in the mind of a 13 yo, this would be more likely.

I think Matthew feels totally betrayed by the adults.  He tried addressing this with me and, yes, I did discuss it with the neighbor but Matt feels the discussion was fruitless.  It would seem Matthew feels like the adults in the matter (me and the neighbor) have not taken action and so he took action himself.  The action was ill-advised but understandable.  If Nimby were indeed certainly the guilty animal then I, frankly, would applaud Matthew's actions.

So, here we are.  I do not see that Matthew deserves any sort of punishment.  I do think Matthew and I need to talk about the incident and how things could have been better handled.

If the mess on the neighbor's porch has not been cleaned then I will help Matthew clean things up.  If it has been cleaned then I will suggest that Matthew offer a token apology to the neighbor.

I will tell Matthew that if he encounters any future piles to come and get me and let me deal with things.  (I really do not think there will be any more problems as the point has been made concerning Nimby's toilet issues.)


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David M. Katz wrote:

(I really do not think there will be any more problems as the point has been made concerning Nimby's toilet issues.)

When I first read that I thought it said 'Nimby's toilet tissues'! Laughing

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David M. Katz

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ivor wrote:
David M. Katz wrote:

(I really do not think there will be any more problems as the point has been made concerning Nimby's toilet issues.)

When I first read that I thought it said 'Nimby's toilet tissues'! Laughing

I don't know if the ads run in the UK but here Charmin toilet paper uses bears to advertise their product. (Presumably based on the question, "Does a bear shit in the woods.")  Perhaps Charmin could retire the bears and go with Nimby as their new spokes-animal?  Razz


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ivor wrote:It would have been better to just dump the shit on the doorstep and let the neighbour tread in it when he next walked out front.

Laughing This is why I I love you Ivor!

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David M. Katz wrote:
ivor wrote:
David M. Katz wrote:

(I really do not think there will be any more problems as the point has been made concerning Nimby's toilet issues.)

When I first read that I thought it said 'Nimby's toilet tissues'! Laughing

I don't know if the ads run in the UK but here Charmin toilet paper uses bears to advertise their product. (Presumably based on the question, "Does a bear shit in the woods.")  Perhaps Charmin could retire the bears and go with Nimby as their new spokes-animal?  Razz


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Having smaller asses here than in the US, our advertiser settled for a Labrador puppy

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David M. Katz

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ivor wrote:

Having smaller asses here than in the US, our advertiser settled for a Labrador puppy


Are you saying my ass is fat? lol!

I think he is at a very healthy weight:
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I thought the scenario had all the necessary information when I wrote it. However...

a) How do we know Nimby has been leaving deposits in our lawn?

Matthew witnessed it on several occasions. On other occasions he made the assumption the dog shit on the lawn was from Nimby. The piles of shit are a fairly regular, though not daily, occurrence -- a couple of times a week on average.

b) How long has it been since I spoke to Nimby's owner about the problem?

You spoke to him two weeks ago after Matthew had to clean up a fresh pile before mowing. Matthew usually mows once a week.

c) Has he been keeping his word about cleaning up.

This is the first time since you've spoken to him there has been shit on the lawn, so he had a clean record until the morning Matthew "returned" the dog shit.


I wanted ambiguity about whether Nimby left the most recent pile. Matthew didn't witness the dog taking the dump, but the pile is consistent with the size turds Nimby usually leaves. He didn't make an unreasonable assumption, but another dog could have left the most recent pile.

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David M. Katz

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Kat,

This begs the question:

Has Jeffy been naughty?


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David M. Katz wrote:Kat,

This begs the question:

Has Jeffy been naughty?

No. I always clean up after Jeffy when I walk him, and I never let him run off leash onto other people's property. I just read about someone who had "returned" dog shit and thought it was funny. Also, thought about this:

http://www.fowllanguagecomics.com/comic/backyard-sanctuary/

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Kat wrote:I thought the scenario had all the necessary information when I wrote it. However...

a) How do we know Nimby has been leaving deposits in our lawn?

Matthew witnessed it on several occasions. On other occasions he made the assumption the dog shit on the lawn was from Nimby. The piles of shit are a fairly regular, though not daily, occurrence -- a couple of times a week on average.

b) How long has it been since I spoke to Nimby's owner about the problem?

You spoke to him two weeks ago after Matthew had to clean up a fresh pile before mowing. Matthew usually mows once a week.

c) Has he been keeping his word about cleaning up.

This is the first time since you've spoken to him there has been shit on the lawn, so he had a clean record until the morning Matthew "returned" the dog shit.


I wanted ambiguity about whether Nimby left the most recent pile. Matthew didn't witness the dog taking the dump, but the pile is consistent with the size turds Nimby usually leaves. He didn't make an unreasonable assumption, but another dog could have left the most recent pile.

Kat

Thanks, Kat - the real thing I was wondering was whether Matthew was resurrecting an old grudge, or if Nimby had even changed his behavior. With this knowledge, I'd be even more strongly in Matthew's corner.



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Looking to the right, I'll bet he's glad spankings are restricted to under 12 Twisted Evil


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I love that comic strip, Kat.

Our dogs are pretty good about keeping to just one corner that's generally out of where the kids play. On the other hand, with the amount of dogs we have around here, I'm pretty sure that alone makes the yard service worth it!


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Good neighbors obey leash laws and respect fences.  Obviously some local dog and owner does not.

This obviously is an ongoing problem and some neighbor is not with the program.  We need some time stamped video of our lawn to prove things.  Tell the offending neighbor to clean things up -- immediately (or you will call authorities) -- and not to let it happen again.

After that, catch the mutt and call for the local animal control officer to deal with the situation.  If the beast is properly collared then issue an official warning and return the critter.  If not, then to the pound.

Enlist other neighbors who have the same problem if any.

Matthew needs guidance about how to handle these things and to stay clear of the un-neighborly neighbor.

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