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BOTD 7/30/17 "Putting His Rear Where His Mouth is" A Jack Production

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David M. Katz

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PUTTING HIS REAR WHERE HIS MOUTH IS
A Jack Production

About two and a half years ago, your brother and his wife passed away.  You took in your nephews at that time.

When they first moved in, Kyle (our left) was 11, Kenny (center) was 15, and Chris was nearly 10.
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You were living alone in the home where you'd raised your own kids, so there was plenty of room for your nephews.  Not long after they'd moved in and things settled down, you had a meeting with them about rules and expectations.  Knowing they'd been through a bad experience, you were patient with them.  With Kenny, that's all it took.  He's never been any trouble.  The other two boys, on the other hand, were pretty typical boys for their age.  

One day, several months after they'd moved in, the two younger boys had been brought home for trespassing in a railroad area.  The officer stresses that the big worry is that the area is unused, and they haven't gotten around to tearing everything apart, so some stuff is rusty, while other areas are potentially unsteady and could collapse.  That's why it's fenced off.

After the officers leave, you lecture the boys, then they each get a serious, bare bottomed session that left them both howling.

When you leave their room, you find that Kenny has come home.  He explains his coach was sick, so they didn't have practice after school.  He seems nervous, but doesn't want to seem to talk about what he heard.  Later, he comes to you and tells you that he hadn't had a 'whupping' for a while before the accident, but his dad always gave him one when he deserved it, and he assures you that he not only trusts you to do right by his little brothers, but that he'll drop his pants anytime you decide he deserves it.

He's really embarrassed to be telling you that, and you never spanked your own boys after they were in high school (13-ish), but you know he's telling you he trusts you to deal with him, and you take it for what it is, promising you'll do that.


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Today, Chris is 12, Kyle is 13, while Kenny is nearly 18.  Chris and Kyle both make regular trips over your lap when they need it, but that's not nearly as often as it used to be.  You've never had to take Kenny up on his offer, though.

Until tonight.

Kenny was supposed to be out with some friends this evening, but you answer your doorbell to find him there, escorted by a police officer.  He and some friends of his were picked up for trespassing.  Between where you live and the city is a Haunted House.  It's only open a couple of months of the year, but you know it's crazy busy when it is open.

"They weren't vandalizing anything when I found them, and they didn't have anything with them to do it.  The problem is, while some people do vandalize it, a lot of people sneak in their for the same reason as your son and his friends," the officer explained.  "Just for the thrill.  But the owners don't want to encourage that, for liability issues, if nothing else.  There's no ticket or anything, but I do have to give a warning, in case he ever gets caught there again."

You thank the officer and he departs, then look sternly at Kenny.  It's been a while, but you still remember what his brothers got for trespassing.  Is it time you took him at his word?


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Y Lee Coyote

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I also remember that I stopped spanking his cousins once they were in high school and he is practical ready to graduate.

I think it is far too late in the game to think about a first time spanking for a young man of eighteen.

Probably some grounding and extra chores are appropriate.

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AFinch

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In this case I'm going to agree with Y Lee.

db105

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I'll probably give him a choice between CP or some alternate punishment like grounding or taking away his driving privileges for a while (if he drives).

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Adric

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I also agree with Y Lee and Kier, that he is pretty grown up now and his earlier comments about CP were 2-3 years ago and may no longer reflect his feelings.  I'll offer an appropriate non-CP punishment, but I may also offer him the CP option in case that is really what he would prefer.  (Okay, I know his punishment is not supposed to be tailored to his preferences, but in this case I will at least take those preferences into consideration.  If he really wants CP he may have to work to convince me to do it.)

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Kat

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I certainly would not insist on CP, but I'd be open to using that option if that was what Kenny expected and preferred. If I do use CP, it wouldn't be an otk spanking but a paddling or belt whipping while bent over.

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ivor

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I think the determining factor could be his brothers. How will they react if Kenny did the same as they did, but gets punished in a different (and less painful) way? Is it going to sour the relationship between them?

On that basis I think a 'whupping' a la Kat is called for.

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MemoryMan

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The short answer is NO.

He's eighteen now and, as they say, "Of previous good character"  we appear to have a good relationship and I'm not about to sour it by requiring him to submit to such an indignity.

In fact I take the view that an ear bending combined with natural consequences will suffice.

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Jack

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MemoryMan wrote:He's eighteen now...

Since this has been said a couple of times, let me point out that he's not 18. He's still a minor (nearly 18 according to the scenario).

MemoryMan wrote:In fact I take the view that an ear bending combined with natural consequences will suffice.

I don't see any natural consequences in this scenario. A warning is not the same as a ticket, and there's no fine or anything. The officer just enters your name so they know if future behavior occurs.

Those are both really pretty nitpicky points, but I was wondering if you had something else in mind when you mentioned 'natural consequences'?


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StevieWeeks

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Putting His Rear Where His Mouth is


Ohhh.... kinky or what?

Make sure that Kenny has his hepatitis shots and all...

Zyngaru

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First, we would go someplace private to talk. His room or den or study. As long as it is just the two of us, it will do. Then we will have a man to man conversation. He is 17. Yes he is a minor, but he is also a young man. I already know he is a responsible young man, because when he first came to live with me, after his brothers were spanked, he came to me, I didn't go to him, and told me he would submit to a spanking by me if he deserved it. That is being mature and that was when he was 15. The two years he has lived with me he has been responsible and we have never had to consider the spanking issue.

So we will have the talk. Why did he go to the house? What was his intentions? Was it just curiosity or did he plan on doing something more there. Depending on what he says and how he says it, depends on my reactions. I think he will be forth coming, because of past experience. I do not think he will be argumentative of confrontational.

During that talk, both of us, will have a feeling as to what should be done about this issue. I have the feeling, as much as he will feel he is too old for a spanking, I have the feeling he will bring it up as an option. Just because he was the one that brought it up when he was 15. He is that type of boy. It will be important to him, in honoring his father's memory.

I do believe as boys get older they should have some say in the consequences of their actions. They are becoming adults, and that is part of my teaching them how to be an adult. I personally do not think this is a spanking matter for him. It was for the brothers, because of the danger involved and they were not mature enough to understand that nuisance yet. Kenny is mature enough. If Kenny decides he needs the spanking, for whatever reason, clear his conscious, live up to his promise, set a good example for his brothers, or some other reason I will honor his decision and give him a more adult spanking, bent over a chair, with paddle or belt. But if that is not the decision, then lose of privileges would be the way I would go. Probably lose of the car keys.

I think, Kenny is going to want the belting. That is just the type of kid he seems to me, from the scenario. In private of course. And in a manly way, not a little boy way. I think one of the things going through his mind when he tells me he wants the belting, is to honor his father.

David M. Katz

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Z typed a lot thus saving me from having to do the same. DITTO Z.


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Jack

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First - this has no basis in real life.

Second - this is closer to something that would have happened to me years ago. I started allowing the older boys to chose CP or restrictions when Noah was 15, and he's going to be 21 in less than two months. That means Christmas will be 6 years I've had that policy. In general, I find it works. Boys that age don't usually need a harsh punishment - just something to get their attention and clear the air, I think.

In this case, where I didn't use CP with my adult sons after they passed middle school, I don't think it'll be on the table.

The scenario wasn't clear about whether he was out with his friends and just ended up there, or if he lied to me about where he was going. If the first, I think he'll be grounded for the weekend. If he was also dishonest, it'll probably be for a week. Not a harsh grounding: I'll let him have friends over, if he wants. He just won't be allowed to leave for a bit, since he showed bad decision making by where he went.


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MemoryMan

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Jack wrote:
MemoryMan wrote:He's eighteen now...

Since this has been said a couple of times, let me point out that he's not 18.  He's still a minor (nearly 18 according to the scenario).

MemoryMan wrote:In fact I take the view that an ear bending combined with natural consequences will suffice.

I don't see any natural consequences in this scenario.  A warning is not the same as a ticket, and there's no fine or anything.  The officer just enters your name so they know if future behavior occurs.

Those are both really pretty nitpicky points, but I was wondering if you had something else in mind when you mentioned 'natural consequences'?

Missed the "nearly" but in any case my response was based on that in the nearly three years since Kenny's commitment there has been no indication in the scenario that he has been anything but squeaky clean.

The "natural consequences" part is a personal view based on that my having managed almost ninety years without falling foul of any law enforcement agencies I would most likely have filled my pants at having my collar felt at that age and been gutted that, even though only a warning was delivered, my clean character was tainted and that I had become in official terms, "Known to the Police."

I would also been mortified that my super respectable parents (whom I loved and respected very much) had suffered collateral disgrace on account of my actions.

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Jack

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Makes sense. Thanks.


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Peter_Z

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I will with Z go here too.

Since he offered to be spanked a few years ago already maybe the boy remembers this too.

But if not that's ok too.

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